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DISCLAIMER: This document contains the Whatcom County Council or Committee
minutes, as approved. However, unless an attested signature page is attached, they
are not the final approved minutes.
WHATCOM COUNTY COUNCIL
Public Works and Capital Projects Committee
October 21, 2003
The meeting was called to order at 1:30 p.m. by Committee Chair Barbara
Brenner in the Council Chambers, 311 Grand Avenue, Bellingham, Washington.
Present: Absent:
L. Ward Nelson None
Sam Crawford
Also Present:
Dan McShane
Laurie Caskey- Schreiber
Sharon Roy
Seth Fleetwood
COMMITTEE DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL
1. RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE WHATCOM COUNTY 2004 ANNUAL
ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM (AB2003 -332)
Nelson moved to recommend approval to the full Council.
Joe Rutan, County Engineer, asked to add $20,000 for the West Illinois
Street extension between Marine Drive and Nome Street. The City of Bellingham,
Bellingham Technical College, Morse Hardware, and Birchwood Neighborhood
Association are interested in providing better access into Bellingham Technical
College. The money is for preliminary engineering. He recommends adding the
project as project 16 on the alternate list on Council packet page 85. The project is
not on the six -year road program.
Nelson moved to amend the resolution to include the West Illinois Street
extension as recommended by staff.
Motion to amend carried unanimously.
Nelson stated he received a request from a citizen. Yew Street Road goes to
Samish Way. There's no light at that intersection. More people are using Samish
Way because work has been done to it. At night, people can't see the intersection.
He is worried about people going too fast on both Yew Street Road and Samish
Way. He asked how they rectify the problem. Rutan stated they would add it to
this program depending on the solution. When they did the Samish Way project,
they knew it was an issue. The intersection has not yet warranted a signal. They
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have installed a plethora of raised pavement markers out there. Staff can count
volumes again, given the changing neighborhood.
Nelson stated he is asking for lighting to read the signs, not a stop light.
Jeff Monsen, Public Works Director, stated he can move ahead with looking
at that request and provide direction. Review can be included in the Miscellaneous
- unanticipated category.
(UGA).
Brenner asked if the intersection is in the Bellingham urban growth area
Mike Donahue, Engineering Manager - Traffic /Development, stated it is.
Monsen stated overhead illumination is not a big cost as long as there's a
power source available.
Nelson moved to add overhead illumination of the Yew Street Road and
Samish Way intersection to the miscellaneous - unanticipated category.
Crawford asked if project nine for 2004 includes lighting. Rutan stated that
project is for better sidewalks. Engineering staff can look at lighting during that
project.
Crawford stated he assumed illumination of that intersection would be under
item nine on the annual road construction program.
Nelson stated the issue for him is safety, not convenience. He doesn't know
when project nine will be done. The intersection is a problem right now. Rutan
stated they are scheduled to do engineering only on that project this year. They are
planning to do project nine in 2005.
Brenner stated the councilmembers don't have the specifics of all the
projects. Rutan stated this year he added summary fact sheets for projects that are
funded for construction in 2004.
Brenner stated that in prior years, there were narratives on a lot of the road
projects. She asked why the numbering goes from one through 20, and then starts
at one again. Rutan stated the second set of projects numbered one through 16 are
unfunded alternate projects.
Brenner asked if the Marine Drive project is by the Lummi School. Rutan
stated it is not. It goes from Bennett to Locust, as they head out Marine Drive past
Bellingham Technical College.
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Brenner asked about the Lincoln Road connector. The location she thinks of
doesn't have walking traffic. Rutan stated that project goes through an area
proposed for development. They would build the connector to that standard.
Brenner stated what's going on at West Smith and Northwest Roads with the
amount of asphalt and concrete is appalling. She would hate for that to happen at
Birch Bay. She asked what they could do to not put in so many sidewalks. Rutan
stated they could have widened shoulders. They have $10,000 available for
preliminary engineering right now. They need to look at how the development will
connect at Lincoln Road. Staff will take that into account, do public outreach, and
come forward with a summary fact sheet.
Caskey- Schreiber asked when they look at impact fees associated with this
kind of project when it's associated with that kind of development. The public
facilities chapter has to list impact fees. Impact fees can't go to something that is
deficient as it is. It has to go to what the neighborhood requires. They are bound
by the public facilities chapter of the Comprehensive Plan.
Monsen stated they have to make sure they have the roadway system
identified that will be used in the developing area. If they begin to collect impact
fees, they can apply the fees to those roadways. This project has always had a
timing problem. The project was proposed with the premise that financing would
come from development contributions. However, they are at the point where they
need to move ahead with the project with or without development financing. They
will try to put something together in terms of a latecomers agreement, but he
doesn't recommend waiting any longer for development financing.
Roy asked about the Birch Bay sidewalk from Alderson Road to Harborview
Road. She asked if it's consistent with the Birch Bay subarea plan. They are trying
to get traffic off Birch Bay Drive. The shoulders are used a tremendous amount.
Donahue stated the project came out of the 1994 rural transportation plan. He's
not sure it's been through the Birch Bay neighborhood.
Roy stated it's important to have this stuff coordinated. The Birch Bay
community wants to do beach restoration with a berm. They want a walkway on
top of the berm. Rutan stated the allotted $10,000 is for preliminary engineering to
do that coordination and meet with the community.
Brenner referenced item nine on alternative list regarding Curtis Road /Rural
Avenue from Country Lane to Slater Road. She can't imagine putting a sidewalk in
there. She asked if the project is for the south side of the road. Monsen stated the
project is between Slater Road and Marine Drive. This project is listed on the
alternate list because, under federal guidelines, it's already defined as an urban
roadway.
Brenner stated small road appendages are defined as urban, according to
federal criteria, but they aren't urban. The area doesn't look like it will urbanize.
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Rutan stated the Coast Millennium Trail is planned for that area. By having a
sidewalk, they will be able to have a dedicated bike lane instead of a shared use
shoulder.
Brenner stated there is a lot of bike lane use done on the shoulders. It's
dangerous to create a sidewalk for bicyclists, joggers, and walkers to use. Rutan
stated a shared use shoulder is for bicyclists, joggers, and walkers. A sidewalk
would be for the joggers and walkers, and a bike lane would be for the bikes.
Brenner stated there aren't a lot of joggers and walkers there.
Caskey- Schreiber stated they are talking about what to do if the Coast
Millennium Trail goes in.
Brenner stated the Coast Millennium Trail goes a long way. They're not
going to put a sidewalk everywhere the trail goes. There isn't any area there that
has urbanized zoning. It's very rural there. Monsen stated this item is on the
alternate list. This is a starting point. He agreed that the Rural Road and Curtis
Road area will require special design features. What the road looks like would be
influenced by the source of funds used. If they use federal funds, it will have a
dramatic influence over the design.
Brenner stated that just because the federal government calls something
urban, it might not really be urban. Monsen stated it is defined that way because of
the population density in the area and the light industrial zoning in the area. It
doesn't take a lot of people to be living in the area to be defined as urban. Many
years ago, the County was very aggressive in trying to use Transportation
Improvement Board funding to develop light industrial land in this area, which
included reconstruction of this route as a significant access into the backside of the
light industrial area.
Brenner stated she wants to see alternatives to sidewalks in the future.
Caskey- Schreiber asked about the Sunrise Road project. It seems costly.
She asked if it is costly because of the bridge replacement. She asked if they could
expect the same thing for Delta Line Road. Rutan stated the Sunrise Road is an old
concrete panel road. The bridge is very expensive. This project also works toward
the completion of their all- weather road system.
Monsen stated Sunrise Road is part of the arterial system. It is one of the
lowest quality arterials in the county. This project finishes linking the arterial
system.
McShane stated Frost Road should be closed instead of replaced. It's
extremely expensive considering the use on the road. He hasn't heard any
alternatives.
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Brenner stated some of the people who live on Frost Road say they want it
closed. Many people who don't live on Frost Road use the road as an alternative
route. She asked the length of the road.
Chris Brueske, Engineering Manager, stated the Frost Road is 1.1 miles long.
When they did the public outreach for this project, ten of the 13 property owners on
the road wanted it open. Two wanted the road closed. One didn't have an opinion.
Brenner asked the cost. Brueske stated the cost of the entire project is
$589,000.
Brenner stated she disagrees with Councilmember McShane. It would cost
more than $1 million to put in an operating road that provides an alternative route.
This cost is half that cost. It's one thing to decide not to build new roads. It's
something to close down a road that already exists. There should be very
extenuating circumstances before they consider closing the road.
Fleetwood stated he went to the area. It's a close call. Someone doesn't
have to drive much further to access this. It's a lot of money to benefit not very
many people.
Brenner stated the fire marshal is in favor of keeping the road open. The fire
marshal does not provide input on all roads, but he provided input on this one.
Fleetwood stated the fire marshal wouldn't take any other stance. Some
people have to provide emergency services. If presented with the question about
whether or not they support something, it's natural that the fire marshal would
support a project such as this that results in a lesser time to provide the service.
However, they're talking about several minutes.
Caskey- Schreiber stated her concern with the project is that historically the
bridge has washed out a couple of times, and they couldn't guarantee that a new
bridge would stay there. Brueske stated there used to be a wooden bridge before
the culvert was installed in the 1960's. It's reasonable for a metal culvert to last 35
or 40 years. The concern over longevity was not about the bridge. It was about
replacing the old culvert with a new, huge culvert for fish passage. Staff looked at
culvert options, did a design analysis, sent it to the State Department of Fish and
Wildlife, which provided two alternatives for culverts that worked. Both alternatives
raised concern about their longevity. He doesn't have any longevity concerns about
a bridge.
Caskey- Schreiber stated the two residents who spoke against reopening the
road was because a lot of people drive too fast on the road.
Fern Postlewait, 8920 Frost Road, stated she submitted a petition with over
200 signatures in favor of keeping the road open.
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Nelson asked if the road would be closed on the South Pass side or the
Reese Hill side. Postlewait stated she is the last resident to the south. She can't
drive to the south. She drives to the north.
Nelson stated Highway 547 would be the only access in or out of Sumas.
Postlewait stated there has been no snow removal for two years and other
problems. A lot of people who live northeast of her use Frost Road as an access to
go to work.
Brueske stated the closure would be at the creek itself. There would have to
be turnarounds on both sides of the creek for garbage and fire trucks.
Fleetwood asked if the 200 people who signed the petition all live in the
vicinity of Frost Road. Postlewait stated they are people who live in the Everson
area who do delivery. It also included people living to the northeast, on Frost Road,
and up and down Frost Hill.
Fleetwood asked the distance of the loop to drive around. Postlewait stated
it is a 3.5 mile loop.
Allen Saar, 9118 Frost Road, stated the road closure is inconvenient for his
business. There's no reason for closing the road permanently. It's been there a
long time. It sounds like people don't want to open the road because of money.
Ellen Barton, 1581 Marine Drive, stated she represents the
Bicycle /Pedestrian Advisory Committee. She thanked the Public Works Department
for its support of the advisory committee. The advisory committee got to review
and comment on the plan before it came before the County Council. Generally, the
department supports the map and plan the advisory committee created. She's
heard they will get a bike route designation on Hannegan and Birch Bay Lynden
Roads by the end of the year. That's a good start. She's also heard that Marine
Drive expansion will include designated bike lanes.
The advisory committee is concerned because it only had 48 hours to come
up with comments and a response. That's difficult for a committee of volunteers. It
was also difficult to comment because the 2003 projects included a miscellaneous
category for shoulder improvements, but they didn't know what those would be.
Also, the advisory committee didn't get a response to its recommendations, and it
doesn't look like their recommendations were considered.
The advisory committee comments focused on four of the projects. They
would like shoulders included in the Lakeway Drive project. Many of the roads are
in more remote areas that are less essential. Another project recommendation was
on Lummi View Drive.
(Clerk's Note: End of tape one, side A.)
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There should be shoulders or bike lanes. There are bike lanes that lead to
that corner.
She thanked the Council for thinking about the expenditure for Sunrise Road.
It deserves extra scrutiny. She looked at the traffic counts for Delta Line Road
versus Sunrise Road. Sunrise Road is about 423 trips. Delta Line Road range is
843 to 1,010 trips.
Rutan stated staff was struggling to meet the Council's deadlines. The
timing of the advisory committee meetings was such that it only allowed for the 48
hour review time. It was not the last time anyone can influence design.
He's talked to the City of Bellingham about the Lakeway Drive project. The
City section and the County section have 12 -foot lanes and a ten -foot shoulder.
The County has a sidewalk on the south side of the road. Because the County has a
sidewalk, he proposes building it the same width. They're repaving the road, not
changing the width. They can disallow parking on the road and re- stripe the road
for a 14 -foot lane and an eight -foot dedicated bike lane. The City of Bellingham
traffic manager is amenable to that option. The City has a project to widen
Lakeway to four or five lanes out to the city limits. At that point, they would like to
have an offsite trail. There are problems with grades and rights -of -ways in terms of
having a bike lane.
Brenner asked what happened to a car if it had a flat tire. Rutan stated the
car would have to turn up a side street. If there is a bike lane, they also really want
a place for people to walk, such as a sidewalk or trail, so they aren't walking in the
bike lane.
They have widened shoulders on the previous phases of the Lummi View
Drive project. This phase will also have a widened, paved shoulder. It's not
currently designated as a bike lane or bike route. He'd want to work with the
Lummi Nation on that option. There's potential to do that. The shoulder could be
designated a bike route without any changes in construction. They didn't do that
because it's been designed for quite awhile. Also, the Lummi Nation did not want
the Coast Millennium Bike Trail coming across the reservation. The physical
facilities would be there. It's a matter of whether or not they put up a bike route
sign.
Brenner asked if the advisory committee would like it designated as a bike
lane. Barton stated an eventual bike lane would be great. They are okay with a
shared shoulder or bike route for now.
Rutan stated it wasn't approved for that because it wasn't included in the
Council's approved bicycle /pedestrian plan. The Council would have to amend that
plan.
Caskey- Schreiber stated she'd support bike lanes on Lummi View Drive.
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Brenner stated she wanted the Engineering Division to designate the bike
route on Lummi View Drive. Rutan stated it's a bike plan issue. Staff takes its lead
from that plan.
Nelson asked if they are spending money on sidewalks, bicycle lanes, and
roads. Rutan stated he proposes to use the wide, paved shoulders as bike routes.
That means they will sweep the shoulder, put up appropriate signing, and widen the
fog line. A bike lane is a lane just like a vehicle lane. Where they want lanes, they
have to make sure there is a facility for pedestrians. He proposes a bike lane on
Lakeway because there is a sidewalk on the south side of the roadway. They have
to make sure people don't park there, so the Council would have to designate that
area as a no parking zone.
Brenner asked if someone can park on a bike route. Rutan stated they
potentially can. On Hannegan Road, there is no place for people to walk, so he does
not recommend creating a bike lane.
Nelson asked if Northshore Drive was designated with a bike lane or a bike
route. Rutan stated it's just a paved shoulder right now. They will have to discuss
how much pavement they're putting in the watershed.
Caskey- Schreiber thanked Mr. Rutan for putting the bike route on the
Hannegan Road.
Rutan stated there are concerns with narrow bridges. They will have to
share the road. Some of the intersections are of concern. The striping machine
needs to work on dry pavement, so he doesn't know if they'll get to that. They
could install signage.
Crawford asked for a history of how the Council has dealt with the Frost
Road. He recalls that the culvert got washed out, the road was shut down, staff
decided they couldn't just replace the culvert because of the fish passage issue, and
the Council then said it would go ahead with a bridge. Monsen stated that is
correct. They decided it would be expensive to deal with fish passage and also
stabilize the road long -term. That's why he brought the decision to the County
Council. His normal activity is to reopen a road that is closed.
Crawford asked if the Council already decided to go with the bridge. Monsen
stated his strong recommendation is to go with the bridge if they are going to
reopen the road. It is the most cost - effective way to deal with the situation long-
term.
Crawford asked if the Engineering Division has a recommendation on
whether or not to open the road. Monsen stated it's a policy matter. His
department presumes that any road that has been closed will be reopened. He is
simply giving the Council the opportunity to change his direction.
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Brenner asked if they'd already made that decision.
Fleetwood stated the Council didn't make a final decision on keeping the road
open or closing it. The Council did ask staff to look at design ideas. That's where
they left it. Monsen stated that's correct. Staff looked at culvert alternatives for a
lower cost, but by the time they dealt with fish barrier issues and making the road
stable, the bridge alternative became the best alternative.
Fleetwood asked if there are any guidelines that say anything about the
County having to maintain existing County road infrastructure. Monsen stated there
aren't. The County doesn't have the legal ability to extinguish someone's access,
but that wouldn't happen in this case because legal access would still exist.
Rutan stated a memo was sent to the Council describing the options and
their associated costs.
Crawford asked if the planned bridge meets County standards and is a good
investment. Brueske stated the bridge is recommended as the only appropriate
way to reopen Frost Road in terms of life cycle costs and long -term fish passage
liability.
Crawford asked if they have given thought to the cost of the road per
volume. Monsen stated other communities may have had to decide between a
project like this one or another project. Whatcom County hasn't experienced that
for some time. Whatcom County is not at that point.
Crawford stated that, all things being equal, they'd like to see the road go in.
Now they're faced with an existing situation where the road isn't there anymore,
and they have a considerable expenditure.
Monsen stated 20 years ago, they simply would have replaced the pipe.
They can't do that today for legal reasons.
Caskey- Schreiber stated historically this road was here before the extension
of Highway 547, which became the preferred route after it was built. It's hard to
justify spending $589,000 for the ten residents who live there. That's a lot of
money.
Brenner stated they heard from quite a few people who don't live there.
Other people use the road. When they discussed this last time, it was considered
an alternative route used to go where people go. As the County gets busier, this is
another alternative route.
Caskey- Schreiber asked the daily volume. Brueske stated the most recent
count he has is from 2000 is 180 daily trips.
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Fleetwood stated this is something the County should have criteria on. He
asked if this is the first time a bridge has washed out on a County road and they
haven't replaced it. Monsen stated there was one case when an old bridge fell
down. The bridge served one house, but it was a County bridge on a County right -
of -way. The County decided to remove the bridge and buy alternate right -of -way to
another access road for the house. The residents sued the County and demanded
that the County replace in -kind the County service that had been there with the
bridge. The residents won, and were awarded that in court, so the County ended up
with a road and a bridge.
Breck Anderson, 3611 Haggin Road, Bellingham, stated he served on the
Bicycle /Pedestrian Advisory Committee for a year. One of the functions of the
advisory committee was to review road maintenance programs as they affect bike
and walkways. The advisory committee has been trying to review those plans
before they get to the design stage. The striping on the Hannegan Road is the first
time the advisory committee's recommendation was taken. One of the reasons
given for not doing bike lanes is because of parking issues. There are ways to get
around that to make sure people can park. The City has done it. The advisory
committee has made bike lanes a priority. There are a lot of roadways in the
unincorporated areas that people don't park on.
The advisory committee tried to tie communities together with bike lanes.
They have to have a mindset that is open to promoting bike use. They aren't there
yet. Quite a few people on the advisory committee are disgruntled. There is no
longer much interest in the advisory committee because of the lack of support it's
gotten from the Engineering and Planning divisions. The bike plan was set up to
provide general suggestions, not stick to specific sections of specific roads. The
plan is to bring bicycling and walking to the community's awareness as a
transportation alternative. The County can designate bike routes and bike lanes
without it being in the bike plan. Every time the advisory committee makes a
recommendation, the County staff responds that the recommendation isn't included
in the bike plan. The advisory committee is starting an effort to amend the bike
plan to make it more flexible.
The advisory committee's first review was on the Marine Drive issue. It
made a formal recommendation on Marine Drive. It was agreed to verbally, but he
hasn't seen anything in writing.
Crawford stated he thought they were making progress on the bike issues.
This is the first he's heard that things aren't happening. Another time, he'd like to
have some interaction with the advisory committee on what exactly the problems
are with the Engineering Division.
Caskey- Schreiber stated the advisory committee has made progress. A bike
lane on Hannegan Road is an enormous accomplishment. Mr. Rutan brought
forward three big projects for bike lanes in the county. That speaks volumes of the
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committee's work. Mr. Rutan is trying his best to accomplish everyone's needs.
Government moves slow. It has a process to go through.
Nelson withdrew his motion to recommend approval to the full Council.
Crawford stated the first project in Whatcom County to be funded from the
$.05 per gallon gas tax is the Highway 9 realignment. He asked if there are any
ancillary results of the realignment that the County needs to consider on its six -year
road plan.
(Clerk's Note: End of tape one, side B.)
Rutan continued to state some of the disused portion of Highway 9 now
would be transferred to the County. He is looking at what the County would take on
in terms of maintenance. Portions of it where they do the realignment and take out
curves would no longer be a state highway. The County would inherit some of the
curves.
Crawford stated the County would get Garrison Road. It won't be on
Garrison Road anymore. Rutan stated that's correct.
COMMITTEE DISCUSSION ONLY — COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
1. ORDINANCE ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE WHATCOM COUNTY
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE RELATING TO
ESSENTIAL PUBLIC FACILITIES (AB2003 -075B)
This item was not discussed.
OTHER BUSINESS
There was no other business.
ADJOURN
The meeting adjourned at 3:07 p.m.
Jill Nixon, Minutes Transcription
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WHATCOM COUNTY COUNCIL
WHATCOM COUNTY, WASHINGTON
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Dana Brown - Davis, Council Clerk Barbara Brenner, Committee Chair
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